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		<title>By: Elvira Bowers</title>
		<link>http://healthgavel.com/2009/11/life-liberty-the-pursuit-of-happiness-and-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-814</link>
		<dc:creator>Elvira Bowers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<link>http://healthgavel.com/2009/11/life-liberty-the-pursuit-of-happiness-and-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-659</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 01:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Erin (healthgavel)</title>
		<link>http://healthgavel.com/2009/11/life-liberty-the-pursuit-of-happiness-and-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin (healthgavel)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim-thank you for those comments. I really enjoyed reading your take on a SOLUTION to health care. We hear a lot about the pro&#039;s and con&#039;s of health reform, but you have laid out a solution, and that is amazing. Thank for reading healthgavel, and commenting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim-thank you for those comments. I really enjoyed reading your take on a SOLUTION to health care. We hear a lot about the pro&#8217;s and con&#8217;s of health reform, but you have laid out a solution, and that is amazing. Thank for reading healthgavel, and commenting!</p>
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		<title>By: Erin (healthgavel)</title>
		<link>http://healthgavel.com/2009/11/life-liberty-the-pursuit-of-happiness-and-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin (healthgavel)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan-The House did pass the bill over the weekend. I will post an article on what happens now and hopefully everyone can let me know what they think as well. Stay tuned. Thanks for the comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan-The House did pass the bill over the weekend. I will post an article on what happens now and hopefully everyone can let me know what they think as well. Stay tuned. Thanks for the comment!</p>
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		<title>By: Erin (healthgavel)</title>
		<link>http://healthgavel.com/2009/11/life-liberty-the-pursuit-of-happiness-and-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin (healthgavel)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Joe - That is a great insight about responsibility and something I think we can all think about now that a House Bill has passed that could provide health care for a lot more people. To what extent is each of us, and the government, insurance companies, providers, hospitals, RESPONSIBLE for health care? Thanks for the great comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Joe &#8211; That is a great insight about responsibility and something I think we can all think about now that a House Bill has passed that could provide health care for a lot more people. To what extent is each of us, and the government, insurance companies, providers, hospitals, RESPONSIBLE for health care? Thanks for the great comment.</p>
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		<title>By: obamascare</title>
		<link>http://healthgavel.com/2009/11/life-liberty-the-pursuit-of-happiness-and-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-131</link>
		<dc:creator>obamascare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pelosi and her befuddled minions have succeed where no terrorist was capable of doing. She and her cohorts have managed to introduce a bill that would fiscally cripple our formally fine government. This is truly a sad day when our elected leaders care so little about our financial health that they would recklessly introduce a bill that does nothing to cure the problem but rather perpetuates the big government control that our forefathers struggled so hard to prevent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pelosi and her befuddled minions have succeed where no terrorist was capable of doing. She and her cohorts have managed to introduce a bill that would fiscally cripple our formally fine government. This is truly a sad day when our elected leaders care so little about our financial health that they would recklessly introduce a bill that does nothing to cure the problem but rather perpetuates the big government control that our forefathers struggled so hard to prevent.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://healthgavel.com/2009/11/life-liberty-the-pursuit-of-happiness-and-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-129</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>House just passed the bill. What happens next?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>House just passed the bill. What happens next?</p>
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		<title>By: Devan</title>
		<link>http://healthgavel.com/2009/11/life-liberty-the-pursuit-of-happiness-and-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-128</link>
		<dc:creator>Devan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kill the bill- not enough info from our Gov. Who knows what they will place in there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kill the bill- not enough info from our Gov. Who knows what they will place in there.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Access to healthcare is available to all, from saftey net clinics, to subsidized clinics to Emergency Departments. Like all goods and services healthcare comes at a price.  Why some people believe it should be free is strange to me ... I have access to groceries and yet I don&#039;t expect the store to give it to me for free nor do I want to government to tell me what milk I am allowed, so why is healthcare any different?

2. Regardless of what politicians say there will be rationing of services with &quot;universal healthcare&quot;.  In order to provide insurance to all there will be cuts in other programs.  The elderly and frail will be hardest hit with major cuts in MediCare. Want more proof?  Check out the V.A. or just look at how the H1N1 flu vaccine has been handled (long lines, shortage of supply and no end to the demand).  Whenever a beauracracy is formed to regulate services their will be less convenience and choice available to the consumer.

3. If we want true healthcare reform we must look at where the failures in our current system are and deal with them on an individual basis.  As my grandmothe said don&#039;t throw the baby out with the bath water.  There are many many great aspects of our current system.  At this point we are trying to swallow a side of beef in one bite.  If we could take the emotion out and deal with each area logically and rationally then perhaps we could make some real reforms that EVERYONE could live with.

5 steps to meaningful healthcare reform:

Step 1: Eliminate the interstate ban on the sale of health insurance.  Let the free market create competition and allow Americans to find the plan that best fits their needs.  If the government allowed individuals to create their own pool with other individuals the result would be truly portable health coverage not dependent on their employer.  The pools should be eligible for the same tax breaks that businesses do for providing health insurance.

Step 2: Prohibit insurance from paying greater than 80% of actual cost: patients need to have some skin in the game and will dramatically control costs when they are so motivated (actual experience). If the doctor discounts for the patient, the insurance company participates in the discount. Enforce with insurance fraud statutes. 

Step 3: Revive charity hospitals: this will give doctors a place to donate care, students to train, and provide for the needy without huge tax based entitlement programs.

Step 4: Tort reform: prohibit any patient who has recieved discounted or free care from suing, and implement a loser pays system.

Step 5: Remove the barriers to increased use of mid level providers such as Physician Assistants; they provide 80% of the care, at the same quality, and for far less money than doctors. 

Results: Health care costs drop like a rock; insurance premiums (including malpractice) become affordable, and access to care increases. Additionally, Medicare/Medicaid fade away, taxes go down, government budgets become reasonable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Access to healthcare is available to all, from saftey net clinics, to subsidized clinics to Emergency Departments. Like all goods and services healthcare comes at a price.  Why some people believe it should be free is strange to me &#8230; I have access to groceries and yet I don&#8217;t expect the store to give it to me for free nor do I want to government to tell me what milk I am allowed, so why is healthcare any different?</p>
<p>2. Regardless of what politicians say there will be rationing of services with &#8220;universal healthcare&#8221;.  In order to provide insurance to all there will be cuts in other programs.  The elderly and frail will be hardest hit with major cuts in MediCare. Want more proof?  Check out the V.A. or just look at how the H1N1 flu vaccine has been handled (long lines, shortage of supply and no end to the demand).  Whenever a beauracracy is formed to regulate services their will be less convenience and choice available to the consumer.</p>
<p>3. If we want true healthcare reform we must look at where the failures in our current system are and deal with them on an individual basis.  As my grandmothe said don&#8217;t throw the baby out with the bath water.  There are many many great aspects of our current system.  At this point we are trying to swallow a side of beef in one bite.  If we could take the emotion out and deal with each area logically and rationally then perhaps we could make some real reforms that EVERYONE could live with.</p>
<p>5 steps to meaningful healthcare reform:</p>
<p>Step 1: Eliminate the interstate ban on the sale of health insurance.  Let the free market create competition and allow Americans to find the plan that best fits their needs.  If the government allowed individuals to create their own pool with other individuals the result would be truly portable health coverage not dependent on their employer.  The pools should be eligible for the same tax breaks that businesses do for providing health insurance.</p>
<p>Step 2: Prohibit insurance from paying greater than 80% of actual cost: patients need to have some skin in the game and will dramatically control costs when they are so motivated (actual experience). If the doctor discounts for the patient, the insurance company participates in the discount. Enforce with insurance fraud statutes. </p>
<p>Step 3: Revive charity hospitals: this will give doctors a place to donate care, students to train, and provide for the needy without huge tax based entitlement programs.</p>
<p>Step 4: Tort reform: prohibit any patient who has recieved discounted or free care from suing, and implement a loser pays system.</p>
<p>Step 5: Remove the barriers to increased use of mid level providers such as Physician Assistants; they provide 80% of the care, at the same quality, and for far less money than doctors. </p>
<p>Results: Health care costs drop like a rock; insurance premiums (including malpractice) become affordable, and access to care increases. Additionally, Medicare/Medicaid fade away, taxes go down, government budgets become reasonable.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Health is in my opinion is not so much  a right or a privilege but a responsibility of the individual .As part of this you may need to access various goods and services. The &quot;health&quot; debates in most countries are in fact arguments over who pays if the individual has not taken responsibility for their health. This particularly applies to chronic diseases which are lifestyle related(Diabetes 2 obesity osteoarthritis hypertension etc)
If the costs associated with drugs and other &quot;treatments&quot; for these conditions were removed the system would have more than adequate capacity to cater to trauma and other acute illness which is not the result of years of failing to be responsible for ones health</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Health is in my opinion is not so much  a right or a privilege but a responsibility of the individual .As part of this you may need to access various goods and services. The &#8220;health&#8221; debates in most countries are in fact arguments over who pays if the individual has not taken responsibility for their health. This particularly applies to chronic diseases which are lifestyle related(Diabetes 2 obesity osteoarthritis hypertension etc)<br />
If the costs associated with drugs and other &#8220;treatments&#8221; for these conditions were removed the system would have more than adequate capacity to cater to trauma and other acute illness which is not the result of years of failing to be responsible for ones health</p>
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